In the name of God
Session No. 32
Participating people in alphabet order
Botanist
Hesse_Gharib
Ro_Be_Aseman
Hesse_Gharib:
salaam every body
Hesse_Gharib:
and good night
Botanist: hi
dear friends
Botanist: and
good night!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Hello to you
Hesse_Gharib:
wellll
Hesse_Gharib: what
to do?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
So we are going to talk about
Hesse_Gharib:
do u think anybody else will join us?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Working to live or living to work
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
don’t think so
Hesse_Gharib:
all right
Hesse_Gharib:
so
Hesse_Gharib: In
The Name of Allah
Botanist:
neither do I
Hesse_Gharib: conference
session I can’t remember the number
Ro_Be_Aseman:
32
Hesse_Gharib:
all right
Hesse_Gharib:
the Topic is....
Hesse_Gharib:
Working to live or living to work
Hesse_Gharib:
all right......
Hesse_Gharib:
do we have any volunteer to be the manger?
Hesse_Gharib:
ok.....I vote for Botanist
Ro_Be_Aseman:
ok, me too
Botanist: but
Botanist: I vote
to dear Hess and dear aseman
Botanist: I
think I must be manager!
Hesse_Gharib:
yes!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
yes
Hesse_Gharib:
you have to!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
why not?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
So
Ro_Be_Aseman:
shall I start dear manager?
Botanist: yeah! Of
course
Hesse_Gharib:
manager...u here?
Botanist: go
ahead pls
Ro_Be_Aseman:
thanks
Ro_Be_Aseman: I’m
going to tell you that
Ro_Be_Aseman:
this topic is really complicated for me
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
think for everybody
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
guess
Ro_Be_Aseman:
it depends on our position in a certain periods in our life
Ro_Be_Aseman:
sometimes we work to live
Ro_Be_Aseman:
because working in that period is really essential
Ro_Be_Aseman:
and sometimes we live to work
Ro_Be_Aseman:
because we are here in this world to live, to enjoy
Ro_Be_Aseman:
as far as the topic is concerned
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Sorry because of my interruption
Ro_Be_Aseman:
There was a problem
Ro_Be_Aseman:
so where I was?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Yes!
Botanist: it
doesn’t matter! Go on....
Hesse_Gharib:
is ur problem
solved now?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
yes
Ro_Be_Aseman:
some how
Botanist: as far
as the topic is concerned
Ro_Be_Aseman:
ok
Botanist: over
Hesse_Gharib:
all right we can wait for u to solve ur
problem first
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
think the purpose of all the human beings is to enjoy
Ro_Be_Aseman:
thanks
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
don’t know
Ro_Be_Aseman:
do you agree with or not
Ro_Be_Aseman:
but I think so
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Over
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Botanist: thanks
dear aseman
Ro_Be_Aseman:
welcome
Hesse_Gharib:
great words...
Botanist: I’m
usually confused with these words...I mean working to live or living to work
Botanist: u said
in ’working to live’
Botanist: work
is more important
Botanist: yeah?
Hesse_Gharib:
yes
Hesse_Gharib:
no
Ro_Be_Aseman:
no
Hesse_Gharib:
work to live
Hesse_Gharib:
means
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
told living is important
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
am now confused
Hesse_Gharib:
that u work to earn money to satisfy ur
needs like food and clothes
Botanist:
sometimes we work to live
Ro_Be_Aseman:
because working in that period is really essential
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Please change their places
Botanist: so
what do u think now?
Botanist: aha
Botanist: it’s
true now
Ro_Be_Aseman:
that is so complicated
Botanist: yeah!
Botanist: I said
I’m usually confused!
Botanist: ok
Botanist: so
Botanist: what
about ur self
Ro_Be_Aseman:
me?
Ro_Be_Aseman:
what do you mean?
Botanist: which of
them do u prefer?
Botanist: or
Botanist: it’s
better to say
Botanist: u are
in which group?!
Botanist:
working to live
Botanist: or
Botanist: living
to work?!
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
think no one
Ro_Be_Aseman:
It is better to say
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
work and live simultaneously
Botanist: very
good!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
welcome!
Botanist: what
about u dear Hess?
Botanist: what
do u think about urself?
Hesse_Gharib:
welllllll
Hesse_Gharib: u
know it depend on ur attitude and ur philosophy
Hesse_Gharib: I
meant we are Muslims and in our religion the working has a special definition
Ro_Be_Aseman:
>
Hesse_Gharib:
we work ...but not for gaining money
Hesse_Gharib:
but for our needs
Hesse_Gharib:
and helping others
Hesse_Gharib:
we work to brings prosprity for society
Hesse_Gharib:
>
Ro_Be_Aseman:
>
Hesse_Gharib:
yes .bring!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
continue please!
Hesse_Gharib:
so....
Hesse_Gharib:
we should think about our main reason for life
Hesse_Gharib:
then define the values
Hesse_Gharib:
and then define the working and its values
Hesse_Gharib:
we live to be useful for this world....to Islamic society
Hesse_Gharib:
but we work for that to
Hesse_Gharib:
too*
Hesse_Gharib:
over
Botanist: thanks
dear Hesse
Botanist: but I
have a question
Hesse_Gharib:
yes plz
Botanist: u
defined a kind of work
Hesse_Gharib:
Yes
Botanist:
working for society for instant
Botanist: now
Botanist: do u
agree with working ...in that way?
Hesse_Gharib:
pardon?
Botanist: ok
Botanist: I
change the flow
Botanist: couls
u give me an example
Botanist: a kind
of work that u defined
Botanist: could*
Botanist: is it
clear now?
Hesse_Gharib:
well
Hesse_Gharib: I
meant the aim of working in fact
Hesse_Gharib: u
know
Hesse_Gharib: a
teacher may teach
Botanist: yeah,
I see
Hesse_Gharib:
just to get the income
Hesse_Gharib:
and a teacher may teach
Hesse_Gharib:
as a love
Hesse_Gharib:
as a duty to society
Hesse_Gharib: u
know
Hesse_Gharib:
we have different attitude
Hesse_Gharib:
when we look at a work just as a way of getting money
Ro_Be_Aseman:
you are right dear Hess
Hesse_Gharib:
am I clear now dear botanist?
Botanist: yeah,
go on dear
Hesse_Gharib:
well i guess i made myself clear
Hesse_Gharib:
do u need more explanation?
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
have another question
Botanist: no
Botanist: but
Botanist: ok ask
pls dear aseman...
Ro_Be_Aseman:
thanks
Ro_Be_Aseman:
so....
Ro_Be_Aseman:
would you please tell us
Ro_Be_Aseman:
in your opinion
Ro_Be_Aseman:
what is the reason or in the other words purpose in this world?
Hesse_Gharib:
that is the main question
Hesse_Gharib:
to be or not to be
Hesse_Gharib:
it depends
Hesse_Gharib:
there are many factors
Hesse_Gharib:
to form such a philosophy
Ro_Be_Aseman:
would you please shed light on the matter
Hesse_Gharib: well.
I think that brings a little deviation
Hesse_Gharib:
to main topic
Ro_Be_Aseman:
no problem
Hesse_Gharib:
all right
Ro_Be_Aseman:
our purpose is to learn English
Hesse_Gharib:
there are many factors ...to form a person’s view toward this world
Hesse_Gharib:
the aim of life
Hesse_Gharib:
mine is mainly affected by Islamic theories
Hesse_Gharib:
and of course yours
Botanist:
elaborate more...pls
Hesse_Gharib:
wellllllllllll
Hesse_Gharib: u
know
Botanist: ’Islamic
theories’....?!
Botanist: over
Hesse_Gharib:
we believe there’s a hereafter
Hesse_Gharib:
but
Hesse_Gharib: e.g.
nihilism
Hesse_Gharib:
believes that all the life ends here
Hesse_Gharib:
in this earth
Hesse_Gharib:
we believe in another life
Hesse_Gharib:
beyond this earthy life
Botanist: yeah
Hesse_Gharib:
so we focus on the
Hesse_Gharib:
ma’ad
Hesse_Gharib:
and the actions we do
Hesse_Gharib:
over
Botanist: u
mean, u live just for ma’ad?
Botanist:
example pls...
Hesse_Gharib:
no...i live and i try to live in such a way that brings god satisfaction..
Hesse_Gharib: u
know
Hesse_Gharib:
as imam Ali has said
Hesse_Gharib:
there are 3 groups in life
Hesse_Gharib:
those who live in such a way as merchants...to do business with god
Hesse_Gharib:
those who are slaves...afraid of gods
Hesse_Gharib:
God*
Hesse_Gharib:
and those who live and work
Hesse_Gharib:
for the love of God
Hesse_Gharib:
over
Ro_Be_Aseman:
YOU MEAN
Ro_Be_Aseman:
برای رضای خدا
Ro_Be_Aseman:
yes?
Hesse_Gharib:
no
Hesse_Gharib:
کدوم؟
Hesse_Gharib:
گروه سوم یا زندگی خودم؟
Ro_Be_Aseman:
and those who live and work for the love of God
Hesse_Gharib:
عشق خدا
Hesse_Gharib:
نه رضایت
Hesse_Gharib:
عشق بالاتر از رضایته
Hesse_Gharib:
خدا از هر سه گروه راضیه
Hesse_Gharib:
چون نتیجه ی عمل خوبه
Hesse_Gharib:
اما نیته مهمه
Hesse_Gharib:
یکی از ترس از خدا کار بد نمیکنه
Hesse_Gharib:
یکی به خاطر بهشت کار خوب میکنه
Hesse_Gharib:
یکی به خاطر عشق به خدا
Hesse_Gharib:
پا رو خواسته های بدش میذاره
Botanist: ok,
thanks dear
Ro_Be_Aseman:
that is really amazing
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
didn’t pay attention
Ro_Be_Aseman:
to the difference between
Ro_Be_Aseman:
SATISFACTION & LOVE
Ro_Be_Aseman:
OVER
Botanist: let me
back to my question and then we will back again !
Botanist: dear Hess
Hesse_Gharib:
Yes?
Botanist: u said
aim is important....
Botanist: yeah,
i di agree
Botanist: do*
Hesse_Gharib:
yes
Botanist: but
Botanist: I’d
like ask u if u have the best aim for ur
work
Botanist:
imagine
Ro_Be_Aseman:
>
Hesse_Gharib:
in my life...i think i am trying to have a combination of both....working and living together...
Botanist: ur work has acceptable
salary, benefits....
Botanist: i don’t
know every think u like!
Botanist: what
do u do?
Hesse_Gharib:
in my life...i think i am trying to have a combination of both....working and living together...
Botanist: do u
prefer living to work?
Botanist: hmmm
Botanist: dear hess!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
please pay attention to this sentence
Botanist: I
thought u have different answer
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
remember one day our teacher said this
Botanist: over
Hesse_Gharib: dear
u know...it greatly depends.....we can’t prescribe for that! we have to be in specific situations to decide...
Hesse_Gharib:
over
Hesse_Gharib:
plz keep going dear aseman
Ro_Be_Aseman:
We should live in a way that we become the best of ourselves not the number one
among people
Hesse_Gharib:
sorry. May I be excused for a 20 mins?
Hesse_Gharib:
may I?
Botanist: of
course dear feel free
Hesse_Gharib:
thanks
Ro_Be_Aseman:
no problem
Hesse_Gharib:
BFN
Hesse_Gharib
has left the conference.
Ro_Be_Aseman:
dear botanist
Botanist: but i
think it’s same
Botanist: isn’t
it?
Botanist: yeah?
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
wanna listen to your opinion and then finish the session
Ro_Be_Aseman:
ok?
Botanist: ok
Botanist: if i
have my imaginary work
Botanist: i
think
Botanist: work
is central to life
Botanist: but
work shouldn’t dominate our life
Botanist: as u
know the time we should spend with our family and friends are more important
Botanist: but
Botanist:
unfortunately!
Botanist:
unfortunately!
Botanist: I
remember, i was in living to work style
Botanist: I was
crazy!
Botanist: though
it has some benefits but it makes me depress
Botanist:
according that sentences u said
Botanist:
according to*
Ro_Be_Aseman:
>
Botanist: yeah,
thanks
Botanist: but
after that i decide to work for living
Botanist: i
remember dear Hess presented a topic
Botanist: it
said some things in ur
life have priorities
Botanist: it mentioned
Botanist: at
first u should cover ur
life with presence of God
Botanist:
spending time with God
Botanist: then ur self
Botanist: ur family
Botanist: ur friends
Botanist: and....
Botanist: if u
cover ur life with ur work
Botanist: for
example
Botanist: u won’t
have any space for urself
Botanist: I
think that topic was so informative for me
Botanist: I don’t
know i could tell u clearly or no?!
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Yeah
Ro_Be_Aseman: I
got it completely
Botanist: so
good
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Thanks because of your nice ideas
Botanist: ur welcome
Ro_Be_Aseman:
On the whole I’d like to say this session was one of the most informative sessions
till now
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Thanks because of choosing this topic
Ro_Be_Aseman:
that was really good
Botanist: yeah,
so do I.
Ro_Be_Aseman:
but I think we should finish the session without the presence of Dear Hess
Botanist: ok
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Again thanks because of your presence
Ro_Be_Aseman:
and I’d like to say that
Ro_Be_Aseman:
if you or me
Ro_Be_Aseman:
or other friends
Ro_Be_Aseman:
as well
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Compare the first sessions that we attended and this session
Ro_Be_Aseman:
We will understand the importance of the sessions
Botanist: oh! Yeah,
exactly
Ro_Be_Aseman:
and the huge difference between our speaking qualities
Ro_Be_Aseman:
that is very amazzzzzzzing
Ro_Be_Aseman:
So
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Have a good night
Botanist: u too,
I wish the best
Ro_Be_Aseman:
thanks
Botanist: thanks
because of ur
presence
Ro_Be_Aseman:
Bye
Botanist: bye
